Karlheinz Schreiber appeared before the Commons Ethics committee on Thursday to testify about his dealings with Former PM Brian Mulroney. This is NOT a transcript, but I feel that it's important to archive them here for future reference...even if it's just my own ;) You can return to the beginning of this 'series,' by clicking here: Part I.
Wherein the CPC suddenly discovers its passion for bilingualism
Dhaliwal (LPC): this is a "bombshell" that $500 000 was originally promised to BM. Why did he not get the last 2 payments? Why did you shut him out?
Schreiber: no, I said 500K was available (in the Bear Head project account), but since he didn't do anything...
Dhaliwal (LPC): did you *personally* give money to Conservatives? Since 1980?
Schreiber: yes
Dhaliwal (LPC): did you personally give to any other party?
Schreiber: can't answer.
Dhaliwal (LPC): tabling copies of letters you sent to M. Stephane Dion, earlier this year. M. Dion asked that a copy of this letter you sent to him be given over to the RCMP. To confirm: the March 29, 2007 letter to Harper, you said that BM was looking for money and help in the summer of 1993 and you met with BM in June 23, 1993 at Harrington Lake.
Schreiber: I want a copy of that letter.
Szabo (chair, LPC): ok, later, but ideally any letters should be circulated in both official languages, and to all members of cmte.
Tilson (vice-chair, CPC): I understand that this letter is *NOT* in both official languages (WTF? Like the CPC cares about French...). The chair will have to wait until the letter is available in both languages.
Szabo (chair, LPC): nothing stops him from sharing the letter *outside* the committee.
Thibault (LPC): in this instance, the member is asking the witness about a letter that the *witness himself* sent; I think that just seeing the letter again will refresh Mr. Schreiber's memory. This is different from evidence that all members of the committee need...
Lavallée (BQ): need unanimous consent; documents should be shared and translated as quickly as possible.
***short break on the Newsworld Live broadcast of the hearing***
Asselin (BQ): Mr. Schreiber, are you a good friend of BM?
Schreiber: no
Asselin (BQ): but you helped BM get elected in 1984. At the leadership convention, you had to bring in anti-Clark delegates...that took a lot of delegates. You arranged for them to be transported to the convention. You took care of that?
Schreiber: no
Asselin: was it easier to have your personal interests taken into consideration under Mulroney, than under Clark?
Schreiber: too complex. Now your questions are jumping around from 1980 to 2007. I donated to Frank Moores, the President of the Conservative Party, as well as Walter Wolf. They introduced me to BM.
Asselin: did you contribute to the Reform Party or the Canadian Alliance? Since 1993, with reform of parties, did you have any interest in contributing to the new party?
Schreiber: no
Asselin: the money to BM...one to pasta company and the other for the purchase of Light Armoured Vehicles (LAVs)?
Schreiber: pasta had nothing to do with it. What's a "light armoured vehicle?" *laughter*
Asselin: you immediately rejected pasta, but you're not rejecting the LAVs...
Schreiber: I was supposed to realize in Cape Breton b/c I was the chairman of the company.
Szabo (chair, LPC): I want another 10 mins to hear from the remaining Liberal and NDP members and assure them equal time.
***conservatives grumbling***
(Szabo gets his way and the hearing continues)
Mulcair (NDP): John Crosbie did the Airbus investigation. Did he ask you questions? What were they?
Schreiber: no (no questions from Crosbie)
Mulcair (NDP): when the RCMP investigation became public, did you inform BM?
Schreiber: yes, because I was in an office with lawyers from Switzerland...(missed something here)
Mulcair (NDP): where did you meet Mr. Doucet?
Schreiber: Montreal and through "Government Consulting International" company; through work with MBB (?) and Thyssen. Want to correct your understanding: all agreements were between GCI and I.
Mulcair (NDP): In 1993, did you pay Marc Lalonde (Liberal)?
Schreiber: no.
Mulcair (NDP): other times?
Schreiber: well yes, he was my lawyer.
Mulcair (NDP): how did you meet Lalonde?
Schreiber: he was recommended to me.
Mulcair (NDP): why donate to the Liberals $10 000 in 1993?
Schreiber: I don't remember.
Mulcair (NDP): but it's on record...Did you know why?
Schreiber: not the smallest clue how that happened
***laughter***
Mulcair (NDP): I want details of all financial dealings with *all* public figures, politicians...
Schreiber: Thyssen company and other companies have employees who make their own contributions (too difficult)
Mulcair (NDP): any discussion of $300 000 as a gift without services expected in return?
Schreiber: no.
The final chapter is next: Part V ("The "Neverending Story," or "Why don't we just ask the 5th Estate guys what happened?"), or Return to Part III ("And for 500K, he'll even wax your tank!")
Wherein the CPC suddenly discovers its passion for bilingualism
Dhaliwal (LPC): this is a "bombshell" that $500 000 was originally promised to BM. Why did he not get the last 2 payments? Why did you shut him out?
Schreiber: no, I said 500K was available (in the Bear Head project account), but since he didn't do anything...
Dhaliwal (LPC): did you *personally* give money to Conservatives? Since 1980?
Schreiber: yes
Dhaliwal (LPC): did you personally give to any other party?
Schreiber: can't answer.
Dhaliwal (LPC): tabling copies of letters you sent to M. Stephane Dion, earlier this year. M. Dion asked that a copy of this letter you sent to him be given over to the RCMP. To confirm: the March 29, 2007 letter to Harper, you said that BM was looking for money and help in the summer of 1993 and you met with BM in June 23, 1993 at Harrington Lake.
Schreiber: I want a copy of that letter.
Szabo (chair, LPC): ok, later, but ideally any letters should be circulated in both official languages, and to all members of cmte.
Tilson (vice-chair, CPC): I understand that this letter is *NOT* in both official languages (WTF? Like the CPC cares about French...). The chair will have to wait until the letter is available in both languages.
Szabo (chair, LPC): nothing stops him from sharing the letter *outside* the committee.
Thibault (LPC): in this instance, the member is asking the witness about a letter that the *witness himself* sent; I think that just seeing the letter again will refresh Mr. Schreiber's memory. This is different from evidence that all members of the committee need...
Lavallée (BQ): need unanimous consent; documents should be shared and translated as quickly as possible.
***short break on the Newsworld Live broadcast of the hearing***
Asselin (BQ): Mr. Schreiber, are you a good friend of BM?
Schreiber: no
Asselin (BQ): but you helped BM get elected in 1984. At the leadership convention, you had to bring in anti-Clark delegates...that took a lot of delegates. You arranged for them to be transported to the convention. You took care of that?
Schreiber: no
Asselin: was it easier to have your personal interests taken into consideration under Mulroney, than under Clark?
Schreiber: too complex. Now your questions are jumping around from 1980 to 2007. I donated to Frank Moores, the President of the Conservative Party, as well as Walter Wolf. They introduced me to BM.
Asselin: did you contribute to the Reform Party or the Canadian Alliance? Since 1993, with reform of parties, did you have any interest in contributing to the new party?
Schreiber: no
Asselin: the money to BM...one to pasta company and the other for the purchase of Light Armoured Vehicles (LAVs)?
Schreiber: pasta had nothing to do with it. What's a "light armoured vehicle?" *laughter*
Asselin: you immediately rejected pasta, but you're not rejecting the LAVs...
Schreiber: I was supposed to realize in Cape Breton b/c I was the chairman of the company.
Szabo (chair, LPC): I want another 10 mins to hear from the remaining Liberal and NDP members and assure them equal time.
***conservatives grumbling***
(Szabo gets his way and the hearing continues)
Mulcair (NDP): John Crosbie did the Airbus investigation. Did he ask you questions? What were they?
Schreiber: no (no questions from Crosbie)
Mulcair (NDP): when the RCMP investigation became public, did you inform BM?
Schreiber: yes, because I was in an office with lawyers from Switzerland...(missed something here)
Mulcair (NDP): where did you meet Mr. Doucet?
Schreiber: Montreal and through "Government Consulting International" company; through work with MBB (?) and Thyssen. Want to correct your understanding: all agreements were between GCI and I.
Mulcair (NDP): In 1993, did you pay Marc Lalonde (Liberal)?
Schreiber: no.
Mulcair (NDP): other times?
Schreiber: well yes, he was my lawyer.
Mulcair (NDP): how did you meet Lalonde?
Schreiber: he was recommended to me.
Mulcair (NDP): why donate to the Liberals $10 000 in 1993?
Schreiber: I don't remember.
Mulcair (NDP): but it's on record...Did you know why?
Schreiber: not the smallest clue how that happened
***laughter***
Mulcair (NDP): I want details of all financial dealings with *all* public figures, politicians...
Schreiber: Thyssen company and other companies have employees who make their own contributions (too difficult)
Mulcair (NDP): any discussion of $300 000 as a gift without services expected in return?
Schreiber: no.
The final chapter is next: Part V ("The "Neverending Story," or "Why don't we just ask the 5th Estate guys what happened?"), or Return to Part III ("And for 500K, he'll even wax your tank!")
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